Condition. Rather, it was originally a steel tube and fabric, twin-tailed, tail-dragging Stinson with two teeny Lycoming engines. Apaches and Aztecs are Diamond’s main business, and they currently own most of the STCs for these aircraft and specialize in their maintenance and modifications. Price $ $ Total Time. By Staff Updated February 22, 2016 Save Article. It truly evolved into an airplane that could be “tricked out.”. In 1958, the engines were upgraded to 160hp and the Apache 160 was born. Home > Aircraft Specs > Manufacturers > Piper Aircraft > PA-23-160 G,-H Apache Performance Information. European Annex II Aircraft. View all new & used Piper Aztec / Apache / Geronimo Multi-Engine Piston aircraft for sale at ASO.com. Search aircraft for sale for free! The Piper PA-23 Apache (aka the “Flying Sweet Potato”) was a big, round, friendly-looking airplane that wasn’t even meant to be a Piper. By continuing to use this website, you are agreeing to our Cookie Policy. The insurance and maintenance of a twin will be a wash, considering the high hull rates on the more expensive airplane. Quantity--PA-23-235, PA-23-250: Brackett Element: BA3. goes up to 72 mph for the Geronimo and a whopping 85 mph for the Apache and the single-engine best rate of climb is down to 85 from 95 mph. STC: *EASA Article 4(2) of Regulation 1592/2002 . Posted by Piper Owner Society | Featured Plane, Upgrade & Refurbish |. FL, US. -TTSN: ~4350 hrs -Engine: Lycoming O-540 -Compressions: 77, 75, 77, 75, 78, 76 … After all, more hp equals more $–then and now. The next model went to 235 hp engines and swept tail surface. This lets the Geronimo fly approaches at 85-90 mph without being in a questionable operating environment. Prop 2 Time: 375 SPOH. It's the cheapest, the easiest, the most obtainable, the ugliest, the most docile and, according to some, possibly the least useful. Year Painted. Total Fuel Burn/ Hr 17 19. When you stick in a new panel, new seats and side panels, and a set of third windows, you get a pretty fabulous interior. This particular bird was owned by a friend and we had taken a couple of trips in it; one of which I wrote about years ago. Despite my flaws and those of the Apache, the Piper PA-23-150/160 will always have a place in my memory as one of the most distinctive airplanes I’ve flown. Engine 1 Time: 1595 SMOH. Skip to content. Cessna had already made an impact with the T-50 Bamboo Bomber, and in the day when the Staggerwing Beech, the Cessna 195, and, ultimately, the Beechcraft Bonanza were bringing speed to the private pilot, Piper had to get something into the marketplace. General Specs (cont.) Well? Serendipitously, the numbers just work out. The aircraft was purchased by the company in Seguin, TX, that owned/performed all of the Geronimo modifications. Back then, it was a matter of saving face. International Approvals. What the Piper PA-23 Apache is, in reality, is the lowest common denominator in the many-motored airplane zoo. This Geronimo conversion was performed by Diamond Aire, current holder of the STCs. What the Piper PA-23 Apache is, in reality, is the lowest common denominator in the many-motored airplane zoo. Engine 2 Time: 1090 SFOH. Serial/Series # Search. © 2020 Madavor Media, LLC. Category. Member forum, Monthly newsletter, used parts, maintenance tips, How to Dedicated to preserving and flying the piper apache airplane. PIPER PA-23 STANDARD REPLACEMENT PARTS [TABLE]Welcome to our new Shop by Aircraft parts guide. It had a high lift-to-drag ratio, but was not a particularly fast wing. FAA-STC#: SA00743SE . Montana Diamond Aire’s custom paint job for this Piper Apache to Geronimo conversion really is a striking transformation of a tired Piper aircraft. Region. Sort by; Year; Price ; 1957 PIPER GERONIMO. Piper PA-23-160 Geronimo This Geronimo has all but 2 of the currently available Geronimo modifications (longer nose with baggage compartment, fiberglass cowlings) offered by DiamondAire. 0 Piper Apache Geronimo Aircraft for Sale Worldwide. Prop 1 Time: 375 SPOH. Piper Apache 235 Specs Weights Aircraft # Empty Weight Empty Moment Max Gross Weight Useful Load N4920P 2,941 lbs 262,971 4,800 lbs 1,859 lbs Powerplant Engines: Lycoming O-540, 235 BHP @ 2575 RPM. WANT TO BUY PIPER APACHE • WANTED • I Want to buy your old, abandoned and unused Piper Apache. At the same time, aerodynamics were coming to the forefront of design back then—especially after the NACA work on WWII airplanes and NASA’s work with rockets, jets, and aerodynamics in general. PIPER AZTEC 1968 • $82,500 • AVAILABLE FOR SALE • 1968 Piper Aztec LH 968.8 SMOH, RH 968.8 SMOH, TTAF 5388. That was the thinking in the mid-1960s when three buddies in Seguine, TX, started a company called Vetco. texasclouds, Sep 13, 2018 #1. I’ve had two engine outs over the years, and am still pulling pieces of upholstery out of my colon. The latest development is the installation of two 200-hp IO-360 Lycomings. European Annex II Aircraft. Summary. Make: Piper Apache 160 Geronimo. Horsepower: 150 Gross Weight: 3500 lbs Top Speed: 157 kts Empty Weight: 2180 lbs Cruise Speed: 148 kts Fuel Capacity: 72 gal Stall Speed (dirty): 51 kts Range: 603 nm Takeoff: Landing: Ground Roll: 1190 ft Ground Roll 670 ft: Over 50 ft obstacle: 1600 ft Over 50 ft obstacle: 1360 ft Rate Of Climb: 1250 fpm Rate of Climb (One Engine): 240 fpm Ceiling: 17000 ft Ceiling (One Engine): 5300 ft $1950 plus shipping. Quantity--PA-23, PA-23-160: Brackett Element: BA7305. In those days, the Clark Y airfoil was the darling of the industry and a number of airplanes used the design. Model Year: 1959. Search aircraft for sale for free! So let’s talk cost performance vs. price. In 1960, Piper introduced the Aztec, a stretched PA-23 airframe with 250-HP Lycoming O-540-A1B5 engines and a larger tail with stabilator. Serial/Series # Search. The last model to roll off of the Piper line in 1981 was the six-seat PA-23-250 Aztec F with 2 x 250 hp fuel-injected IO-540 engines. I cannot be counted amongst the lovers of the Apache. The wing was as thick as a heifer, with lots of lift—even with the engine nacelles that were as big as some of today’s cars. Come fly one of the best multi-engine trainers Piper ever created in a PA-23 Piper Geronimo Apache. Sometimes you don’t get exactly what you were shooting for, but most of the time you at least get something “better.” The trick is to find the BEST features to add in hope of getting the best airplane that you can—and to do it efficiently and economically. (You older guys might remember this.). Piper PA-23-160 G,-H Apache - Performance Data. Piper PA-23 Apache Geronimo. I will try to save her.$$ Cash payment. PIPER (1) Model - Applied. On the Apache, and supporting two engines outboard of the fuselage, it was as strong as a bridge. PIPER GERONIMO Aircraft For Sale 1 - 1 of 1 Listings. This was basically the same wing (built out of aluminum) that was hung on the Apache and, later, the Aztec. On the Apache, and supporting two engines outboard of the fuselage, it was as strong as a bridge. They built a few single-engine Piper Voyagers before dropping the line entirely. At a low power cruise LOP I'll get about 105KIAS at roughly 10gph. Show listings added in the last Days 11. The United States Navy and military forces in other countries also used it in small numbers. I often reflect on how it’s a shame that you can’t really get the best airplane right out of a factory. Cruise 140Knots (160 MPH) TAS at 7,500 feet. The Piper Aztec was redesigned with a single vertical stabilizer, an all-metal rear fuselage, and more powerful Lycoming O-230-A engines of 150 hp. Your sky marketplace. Confirm. Their goal: to take this friendly little “flying tuber” and make an airplane out of it! Engine make/model: Lyc … aerowerksllc more info. The Piper PA-23, named Apache and later Aztec, is a four-to-six-seat twin-engined light aircraft aimed at the general aviation market that also saw service with the United States Navy and other countries' military forces in small numbers.The Apache and its more powerful development the Aztec were manufactured from 1952-1981. We guarantee this is the best deal there is in Multi-Engine training. Jun 7, 2016 - Used Piper PA-23 Geronimo Aircraft Lease Aircraft for sale on AirplaneMart.com - Used Airplanes, Aircraft Sales, Used Planes For Sale, Used Aircraft For Sale, Airplane Classifieds, Aircraft Classifieds, Used Airplanes For Sale, Jet for Sale, Helicopters for Sale, Business Jet For Sale Compare price and specifications of all Piper Aztec / Apache / Geronimo models in our listings. These not only added even more speed, but they added more style as well. Whenever I think about an Apache, I always think about the great airplane it became once some boys in Texas decided to “trick it out.”. It includes the material required to be fUI11ished to the pilot by F.A.R'/C.A.R. There are an astounding number of modifications available for the Apache and Aztec series. Single Engine Service Ceiling 12,000 (10,500 3800. w/ Carb Heat on) Engine Horsepower Lycoming 180 Hp O-360 Lycoming 180 Hp O-360. Piper PA-23 Apache Geronimo. International Approvals. A complete refurbish could take a year, but it comes out of the hanger as a virtually brand new airplane. Twin Oaks does not have any of them. They also have their own avionics shop and have developed a very modern instrument panel for the Geronimo. Flight Rules: IFR. Freedom of Flight. Manufacturer - Applied. Flight Rules: IFR Specifications and Performance – Piper PA-23-150 Apache. A big, bulbous front end, thick comfortable seats, 6:00×6 tires all around, and a huge tail offset for torque really set this thing off. Buy; Air Filters: PA-23, PA-23-160: Brackett Filter: BA3110A. Montana Diamond Aire is a FAA Approved PMA facility specializing in full STC d custom modifications for the Piper Apache, Aztec, and Geronimo CALL FOR INFO: (406) 752-5092 CALL FOR INFO: (406) 752-5092. Photo of The Week: Our Christmas List: A $72,000 Mach .84 Jet. https://www.facebook.com/PiperOwnerSociety?fref=ts. The Piper Apache / Aztec was Piper Aircraft’s first twin-engine production aircraft and over 7,000 were produced over close to a thirty-year time span, with multiple variants over the years. Hi! It looked fast! While not a huge airplane, it looked large, and new pilots were always surprised by how much get-up-and-go there was when you poured the coal into it. Country. Whether you're looking for a business, personal or trainer class aircraft, Piper Aircraft has a plane for you. Registration # Search. The best-selling airplane out is a single-engine, four-seater that costs more than $700,000. Detailed Description 1959 Piper Apache/Geronimo, 6000TT, Complete Logs, Hangared, Excellent Paint & Interior, Garmin GTN 750, Garmin GNS 430W, Century 3 auto-pilot. Before we purchased our two Senecas, we would rent an Apache from owner Flavio at Flabob Airport to use as our multi-engine trainer. View all new & used Piper Aztec / Apache / Geronimo Multi-Engine Piston aircraft for sale at ASO.com. To get a true picture of what a Geronimo Conversion can mean today, we need to take the last 60 years of aviation and roll it fast-forward. Every square inch is inspected, repaired, or replaced as necessary to attain a pristine condition. APACHE (1) GERONIMO (1) ARROW's (22) ARROW (6) ARROW II (5) ARROW III (2) ARROW IV (5) TURBO ARROW III (2) TURBO ARROW IV (2) Year. Recently, I came across a photo of me standing in front of a Piper Apache. Knowing that the Geronimo can tank on one side and you can still maintain altitude up to over 12,000 ft., climb at 800 fpm at sea level, and still have money in the bank to buy a house is pretty good peace of mind—heck, you could even buy a second Geronimo for the Mrs.! The paint is 5/10 sun bleached with scratches and chips you would expect.”. Add a few more pounds, and you could carry more fuel. By: Norm Goyer. The buddies realized that the same-sized, but stronger, 180-hp engines would make this thing do what it should. To convert an Apache takes 18 STCs and considerable metal work. Joined: Jul 17, 2014 Messages: 3,166 Location: Statesville NC Display Name: … No corrosion. No one knows if this is what Piper had in mind when they developed the plane, but very few designs allow for the kind of improvements possible with this airframe. Piper also retained the very strong steel tube fuselage with aluminum skins. Home; Aircraft. At the time, he was living in Wisconsin and wanted to get into the airplane business. 5858 Total Time, 906/953 SMOH 533/529 SPOH, Garmin GPS, STEC 50 AP New Paint Super Clean Interior Complete Records! Geronimo! Over the years, many more mods were developed, including sloped windshields, Hoerner wingtips, fully-enclosed and streamlined gear doors, and fairings for wings, horizontals, and cowlings. Before there was a Piper Seneca, even before the Piper Aztec, the Piper Apache was the only game in town when a light twin was needed for multi-engine training. Become a Plane & Pilot Member to explore our complete range of flight reports, technique articles, gear reviews and aviation buyer’s guides written by our experts. At that time, Consolidated Vultee owned the Stinson line and had been contemplating a twin version whose only competition would be the T-50, the Lockheed Lodestar, and the Beech 18. What does POA think of the Piper Geronimo? Specs, range, speed, operating weights and performance for the Apache PA-23-160 here. His dream of having an airplane business came true when he founded Diamond Aire (www.diamondaire.com). This Geronimo conversion was performed by Diamond Aire, current holder of the STCs. Search. Before we purchased our two Senecas, we would rent an Apache from owner Flavio at Flabob Airport to use as our multi-engine trainer. It not only made the four/five-seater into a real going machine, but what it did aesthetically is almost legendary. State. For many light-twin owners, Piper’s Apache is about as good as it gets By Bill Cox , Photography by James Lawrence Updated February 6, 2016 Save Article Piper Aircraft. STC: *EASA Article 4(2) of Regulation 1592/2002 . She is from 1955 and powered by two Lycoming O-320-A1A engines. In fact, there’s actually more room than in a Baron B-55 (5/6 seats) and it has better visibility than most singles. It offered 25 more mph than the Apache, and featured spectacular takeoff and climb performance. Additional Classifications. Other specs remained much the same, although single-engine performance actually suffered due to the higher allowable weight. My Saved Listings … The last model to roll off of the Piper line in 1981 was the six-seat PA-23-250 Aztec F with 2 … 1959 Apache Geronimo 160. Quantity--PA-23-235, PA-23-250: Brackett Filter: BA104. It's the cheapest, the easiest, the most obtainable, the ugliest, the most docile and, according to some, possibly the least useful. Discussion in 'Flight Following' started by texasclouds, Sep 13, 2018. texasclouds Cleared for Takeoff. $31.95. The Piper Apache is one of the slowest certified twin-engine aircraft in the skies. Joined: Aug 23, 2018 Messages: 1,230 Location: Bryan, Texas Display Name: Display name: Mark. Click here or above for a free digital version of our July 2019 issue. Max gross weight was 4800 pounds. The Piper Aztec was redesigned with a single vertical stabilizer, an all-metal rear fuselage, and more powerful Lycoming O-230-A engines of 150 hp. Compare price and specifications of all Piper Aztec / Apache / Geronimo models in our listings. Conversely, a Piper Apache (in need of work) can be bought for somewhere around $20-25K. Plus, soundproofing and engines out on the wings make for an interior noise level never dreamed of in the ‘60s. 0 Piper Apache Geronimo Aircraft for Sale Worldwide. M600/SLS; M500; M350; Personal. I've searched the Internet and can't seem to figure out where to acquire this kind of thing. To me, though, it’s the extra engine that tips the scales. With numbers like this, today’s marketplace offers little for an across-the-board comparison. In 1958, the engines were upgraded to 160hp and the Apache 160 was born. Listing Type. We use cookies to help you get the … Total Time: 6000. Country. Quick Search. We use cookies to help you get the best experience when using our website. It was slicker. … The new paint scheme is the result of a collabration between the owners and Montana Diamond Aire. Holds 108 gallons of fuel good for 5 hrs of flight with VFR reserve. Prop 2 Time: 375 SPOH. Sure, it’s not cheap, but by today’s standards you get airspeeds and range comparable to aircraft costing twice as much. Piper Geronimo Verses Diamond Twin DA42. Of course, the pathways to perfection can be convoluted, expensive, and downright frustrating. They’re looking into creating a full glass panel as well. Find a dealer form toggle Mobile menu toggle. It is a 4-seat, fully IFR equipped an excellent multi engine trainer and cross country machine. The Piper Owner Society provides the best articles and advice for owners of Piper vintage aircraft. Flying the Fastest Sweet Potato in the Bunch Text and photos by Budd Davisson, Air Progress, Oct '90, PAGE TWO. Ah, but a football will! Our most popular distribution has previously been a fully certified Java EE 6 application server runtime. This aircraft was designated the Apache 235. Plus, those two amazing Lycoming 200 hp engines burn the same (or even less) fuel than one Continental IO-550. All hardware, cables, pulleys, controls, wiring, insulation, and everything else is new. High/Low/Average 1 - 1 of 1 Listings Sort By: Done. Toggle navigation. Home > Aircraft Specs > Manufacturers > Piper Aircraft > PA-23-150 Apache Performance Information. geronimo! Wifi. Specifications and Performance – Piper PA-23-150 Apache. The Piper PA-23, named Apache and later Aztec, is a four-to-six-seat twin-engined light aircraft aimed at the general aviation market that also saw service with the United States Navy and other countries' military forces in small numbers. Back then, it just meant more speed. Condition: Used. Buy and sell planes and helicopters online at GlobalPlaneSearch.com. Now THAT’S an airplane with a great story! $99,000 . The Apache PA-23-150 produced by Piper. We have compiled the application data for a number of common general aviation aircraft so our customers can easily find their applicable standard This was basically the same wing (built out of aluminum) that was hung on the Apache and, later, the Aztec. 0 Reviews 0 Answered Questions. Specifications and/or descriptions are provided as introductory information. Loving early Piper Twins, he found the Geronimo STCs up for sale. Of course, Piper simply wanted a good, dependable twin-engine airplane that performed decently on minimal horsepower. High/Low/Average 1 ... APACHE's (2) APACHE (1) GERONIMO (1) Year. Piper Apache 160 Geronimo 1959 1959 Apache Geronimo 160 Holds. America’s owner-flown aircraft enthusiasts and active-pilot resource, delivered to your inbox! Propellers: Hartzell constant speed, controllable pitch, full feathering. Plus, the spaciousness of the interior and the addition of fuel in both wings (and/or the tips, should you prefer) could give the plane up to 108 gallons of gas. It has its extreme … Applicable Models: PA-23, PA-23-160, PA-23-180, Squared Tail . Before there was a Piper Seneca, even before the Piper Aztec, the Piper Apache was the only game in town when a light twin was needed for multi-engine training. Piper modified it a bit for the Cub and called it the USA 35-B. PIPER PA-23 STANDARD REPLACEMENT PARTS. PIPER. Sale Price: US $18,200.00 Latest Multi-engine. Price $ $ Total Time. Then, with a few added mods, you could carry more weight. Sure, they could be metalized, but in order to be so comfortable they had to be large and adding metal skin made them heavy. This aircraft was designated the Apache 235. As such, there’s never been a spar failure in the model’s history. Its big brother, the Aztec, is being rediscovered as well, but that’s another story. Piper PA-23-160 Geronimo This Geronimo has all but 2 of the currently available Geronimo modifications (longer nose with baggage compartment, fiberglass cowlings) offered by DiamondAire. What this means is that a new Geronimo conversion is basically a new 2014 airplane. Plane and Pilot builds on more than 50 years of serving pilots and owners of aircraft with the goal of empowering our readers to improve their knowledge and enthusiasm for aviation. Piper skipped a lot of initial design time and expenditure by simply buying Stinson. Grum.Man En-Route. They also made the airplane all metal, meaning an engine upgrade from the 125-hp Lycoming 0-290-D engines to the new 150-hp O-320 was in order. The Apache PA-23-160 produced by Piper. They can also become compromises and, many times, just leaps of faith. Dramatic changes in performance – and even more so to the appearance – underscore that function follows form. Search Results By Date. 1893 Airport Rd, Kalispell, MT 59901. They also built one of the twin prototypes, but it flew so poorly that a redesign was in order. PIPER AIRCRAFT CORPORATION PA-28-181, ARCHER III 1.1 INTRODUCTION SECTION 1 GENERAL SECTION 1 GENERAL This Pilot's Operating Handbook is designed for maximum utilization as an operating guide for the pilot. GERONIMO. It looked long and lithe. $1950 plus shipping. Home; Price Guide. • Contact Lenny Larson - AEROWERKS, Owner - located Austin, TX United States • Telephone: 512 948 1661 • Posted December 16, 2020 • Show all Ads posted by this Advertiser • Recommend This Ad to a Friend • Email Advertiser • … General Info: -1964 Piper PA24-250 -Times subject to change as the aircraft is flown regularly. Prop 1 Time: 375 SPOH. The Seguine Geronimo conversion is a perfect example of how airplanes can be made to do a lot of different things very well—without sacrificing too much to do so. Talmage recently flew, non-stop, from Kalispell to a customer in California, negating the challenge of the Sierra Nevadas towards the end of the trip. 6X's (2) 6XT (2) AEROSTAR (3) APACHE's (2) APACHE (1) GERONIMO (1) Year. Applicable Models: PA-23, PA-23-160, PA-23-180, Squared Tail . Montana Diamond Aire is a FAA Approved PMA facility specializing in full STC d custom modifications for the Piper Apache, Aztec, and Geronimo CALL FOR INFO: (406) 752-5092 Diamond Aire builds all of their parts, including engine cowling, nosebowls, dorsals, doors, and the third window kits, in their own shop. Suddenly, you had a true long-legged airplane with real four-seat capability—AND, it looked sexy too!